Kalina 2 8 valves do the valves bend?
Many owners, before purchasing a car, are not yet aware of such a problem as a broken timing belt, and as a result, on some engines the pistons collide with the valves and bend them. This problem occurs not only in domestic cars, but also in modern foreign cars, and this can lead to quite expensive repairs. Older Lada models still had this problem, but now we are interested in modern engines and it is them that we will consider. And the picture on the left shows the consequences of this trouble, so carefully read the information below to avoid such a picture, because, as they say, no one is immune from this.
A few tips on how not to find out if the valves on Kalina are bent and not end up with expensive repairs
In order to try to avoid damage to the gas distribution mechanisms, it is necessary to promptly replace the timing belt.
It is not enough to change one belt. Be sure to change the tension rollers along with it and monitor the condition of the pump. If necessary, it must also be replaced.
Never skimp on spare parts. Choose your timing belt carefully. It should not have any irregularities, stripes or seams.
When purchasing a water pump and tension rollers, choose only well-known and trusted manufacturers.
By following these simple rules, you will never know whether the valves on a Kalina car are bent, and how much it costs to overhaul the engine.
I would like to hope that this article will help to avoid problems, usually associated with neglect of the technical condition of the car. With the correct attitude to the operation of the elements of the gas distribution mechanism, such problems should not arise.
Most drivers don’t think about, or rather don’t know about, a broken timing belt before buying a car. Because of this, on some engines the pistons collide with the valves, which leads to their failure. It is important to understand that this problem occurs not only on domestic but also foreign-made machines. A similar nuisance has been encountered since the days of the first Zhiguli, but today we will look at more modern models.
Bends valves on the following engines
- 16-valve engine, 1.5 liters. Although it is no longer installed on cars, at one time there were quite a lot of them on the tenth family. That's when the owners of these cars felt what it was like. Using the 2112 as a personal example, my valves bent 2 times. And in both cases, not even 10,000 km had passed after replacing the timing belt.
- Model 21126, which is currently installed on both Kalinas and Priors and Grants. As is already known, a collision between valves and pistons is also inevitable when the belt breaks. Moreover, repairs can be very expensive, since in addition to all this, the entire piston system can break, starting from the pistons themselves and ending with scuffs on the cylinders and bent connecting rods.
- Modification 21116, which is now installed on both Grants and Kalinas recently. Although this 8-valve unit has remained virtually unchanged, it will bring a lot of trouble when pistons and valves meet. This is due to the fact that the piston group in this engine is lightweight, so there is no space left for the recesses in the pistons - accordingly, the valves bend.
- 1.4 16-cl. For the first time the engine was installed on Kalina and it is also unsafe, although quite economical.
- VAZ 21127, which will be installed on the Lada Kalina for the first time. It has a volume of 1.6 liters with a similar design to its predecessor from Priora, but with slightly more power. It also belongs to this list of “dangerous” motors.
List of motors on which valves bend
To find out whether the valve bending on Kalina 1.6 is 8 cl., you need to carefully read the following list:• 16 cl. engine, the volume of which is 1.5 liters. Despite the fact that such engines are not currently installed, there were enough of them in one of the VAZ families; • Motor 21126. Now it is being installed on Granta, Priora, and even Kalina.
It was said above that if the pistons break the belt, they can negatively affect the operation of the machine. It is worth adding that if the entire piston turns out to be broken, then the repair can cost a lot of money; • Do the valves on the Kalina 1.6 8 valves bend? Yes, the motor model 21116, which is installed on the Lada Granta and Lada Priora, can cause a lot of trouble if the pistons are positioned incorrectly.
A similar situation can occur due to lightweight pistons, as a result of which there is little area left for the recesses; • Engine volume 1.4 l, 16 cl. A similar engine was previously installed on Kalina. It is economical, but still unsafe; • Does the 21127 engine bend the valves? Yes, it is classified as one of the so-called “dangerous” engines. Now you know on which engines the valves bend when the VAZ timing belt breaks.
The valves do not bend on engines such as:
- 1.5 8-cl. and 1.6 8-cl. A power unit with a smaller volume was installed on earlier versions of cars. And 1.6 for later ones, including Kalina too. Everything is fine here and no timing belt breaks are scary, since the pistons have deep recesses for the valves, which are quite enough to avoid a collision.
- 1.6 16-valve modification 21124. This engine was installed on the VAZ 2112 at one time and was in quite popular demand, as it was both powerful and reliable in this regard.
To at least somehow reduce the likelihood of getting into expensive repairs, be careful when choosing components and spare parts. Change the belt in a timely manner and before purchasing it, carefully inspect it for the presence of a seam, and if there is one, it is better to discard it. And don’t forget about the videos, which should also be of high quality.
The Lada Kalina 1.6 8 valve engine is well known to our drivers. After all, its history goes back to the advanced (for its time) VAZ 2108 engine. Since then, the power unit has gone through a huge amount of modernization. But the basic design parameters remained unchanged. Today we’ll talk in more detail about this power unit.
Gasoline power unit Lada Kalina VAZ-11186 with a power of 87 hp. with a displacement of 1.6 liters, it replaced the VAZ-11183 injection engine developing 82 horsepower. The new lightweight piston group from Federal Mogul managed to increase the power and efficiency of the power unit. Of course, the engine is not distinguished by enchanting dynamics and low fuel consumption, but its relatively simple design and maintainability allow us to talk about a good option for our harsh operating conditions.
As for the technical part, it is based on a cast-iron cylinder block, an aluminum head, an aluminum cylinder head cover, and a steel engine sump. In the timing drive Lada Kalina 8-cl. there is a belt. The eight-valve timing mechanism does not have hydraulic compensators; valve adjustment occurs rarely, but the process is quite painstaking. It is necessary to select “nickels” of different thicknesses and place them between the camshaft cams and the bottoms of the pusher cups. The first time such a procedure is carried out is at the so-called “0” zero maintenance, after 3000 km.
The age-old question : Do the valves on the Kalina VAZ-11186 engine bend when the timing belt breaks? The answer is clear: when the valve belt breaks, it bends! The engine is paired with a 5-speed manual transmission; no other options are provided.
Below are the technical characteristics of the base Lada Kalina engine 8 valves 87 hp.
Engine Lada Kalina 1.6 (87 hp), fuel consumption, dynamics
- Working volume – 1597 cm3
- Number of cylinders/valves – 4/8
- Timing drive - belt
- Cylinder diameter – 82 mm
- Piston stroke – 75.6 mm
- Power hp/kW – 87/64 at 5100 rpm
- Torque – 140 Nm at 3800 rpm
- Maximum speed – 168 kilometers per hour
- Acceleration to the first hundred – 12.2 seconds
- Fuel consumption in the city – 9.0 liters
- Fuel consumption in the combined cycle – 6.6 liters
- Fuel consumption on the highway - 5.8 liters
AI-95 gasoline as fuel .
Do the valves on the Vesta bend when the timing belt breaks?
The Lada Vesta valve bends if the production date is before August 15, 2018. But, according to the automaker, in July 2021 the piston group on all 1.6-liter engines was modernized. As a result, they began to install new pistons with counterbores (recesses), so Vesta no longer bends the valve. This modernization did not affect the 1.8 liter engine.
Motor "VAZ" 21116
At the beginning of 2012, a new 8-valve 1.6-liter engine was released. More precisely, it is a modernization of an old engine with index 21114. The modernization affected many aspects, but the main objectives were to reduce fuel consumption and increase dynamic characteristics by reducing mechanical losses. Additionally, we increased environmental standards and switched from Euro-3 to Euro-5. Power remained at the same level – 87 hp. With.
Engine of Lada Vesta. Photo source: https://img.rg.ru/pril/article/178/38/47/VESTA_Cross_Interior_030.jpg
The engine was planned to be installed on the initial configuration of the car, but this idea was later abandoned.
The connecting rod and piston group were modernized (weight was reduced) and the combustion chamber, and the engine intake manifold was heavily modernized. And since plug-in pistons were used (without counterbores), there was a need to increase the reliability of the timing belt. I selected a serial belt that satisfied the basic technical conditions. To avoid mechanical damage, it is covered with a plastic casing.
Motor "VAZ" 21129
The engine was created in 2015 on the basis of the VAZ 21127 engine. This is a 16-valve (4 valves per cylinder, 2 intake, 2 exhaust) unit with a volume of 1.6 liters. The cylinder block has become stiffer, the lubrication system, fuel injection and many other elements have been improved.
The main innovations are the exhaust and intake receiver of variable length. Thanks to this, the maximum power became 106 hp. With. instead of 98 previously, and also increased throttle response at different engine operating modes. It began to respond better to pressing the gas pedal at low and medium speeds.
The most common engine problem was floating idle. The feature could not be solved for a long time until they installed a combination of two DBP + DTV sensors (absolute pressure sensor + air temperature sensor). After this, there were no floating revolutions.
Motor "VAZ" 21179
In 2015, a new 1.8-liter engine with a capacity of 122 hp was made. With. This is the first engine produced by AvtoVAZ with the function of variable valve timing. Production started in February 2021.
Structurally, this is the same motor of the 21116-21129 family. The increase in volume was achieved by increasing the piston stroke. Other, smaller improvements have also been made. The motor is plug-in, that is, it bends the valves when the timing belt breaks or jumps.
Engine Renault-Nissan HR16DE-H4M
Renault-Nissan HR16DE-H4M is a 4-cylinder, 16-valve engine created by Japanese engineers with a transverse arrangement in the engine compartment. The motor turned out very good. The drive is chain, which has a great impact on the durability of the timing unit. Replacing a chain occurs less often than a belt, approximately once every 150-200 thousand km.
The design of the engine is modern. It has a gas distribution mechanism, the phase shifter is located on the intake shaft. The mechanical throttle gave way to an electronic one, which reduced fuel consumption and improved combustion of the fuel-air mixture, increasing power. The engine develops 113 horsepower and complies with Euro-5 standards.
The obvious disadvantages include the following:
- Engine whistle. The sound of the alternator belt can be corrected either by tensioning or replacing.
- Faulty ignition unit relay. The engine stalls in the middle of the road and does not start, or it starts, but has problems.
- The exhaust pipe gasket is burning out. At medium speeds the exhaust sound increases sharply, which can be eliminated by replacement.
- Strong engine vibration. It is solved by replacing the failed engine mount.
These are the most common engine disadvantages. By itself, it is very reliable and unpretentious. If it is recommended to refuel with 95 gasoline, you can use AI-92.
Does the Vesta 2019 valve bend?
The 2021 Lada Vesta does not bend the valve, provided that a 1.6 liter engine is installed. But you still shouldn’t hope for modernization, since there are cases of bending on a 2021 car. Here's the unfortunate owner sharing the video:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QkcCC4pJZqE%3F
If a 1.8-liter engine is installed, bent valves and expensive repairs are guaranteed, since AvtoVAZ does not offer pistons with counterbores (grooves).
Timing diagram Lada Kalina 8 valves
- 1 - crankshaft toothed pulley
- 2 - coolant pump toothed pulley
- 3 - tension roller
- 4 - rear protective cover
- 5 - camshaft gear pulley
- 6 - timing belt
- A - boss on the rear protective cover
- B - mark on the camshaft pulley
- C - mark on the oil pump cover
- D - mark on the crankshaft pulley.
Another feature of the engine is the location of the water pump (pump), which is rotated by the same timing belt. That is, in case of coolant leaks or characteristic noise/whistle/hum in the timing drive area, checking the belt is mandatory. If the pump bearing crumbles and the belt comes off, then in addition to replacing the water pump housing and belt, you will also have to go through the cylinder head, removing bent valves from there.
AvtoVAZ uses a very reliable Gates belt as the original belt. Often the service life of the Gates belt is much higher than the service life of the pump and tension pulley of the Lada Kalina 8-valve engine.
Yesterday one of our regular customers came to us with a recently purchased second-generation Kalina to replace the timing belt, roller and pump, plus all the fluids, but more on that in another article. This engine was also installed on the Grant, so this article will be relevant for it as well. The speedometer shows 60,000 and I believe that for this engine this is the optimal replacement interval, even though all reference books say about 75,000.
Let’s make a reservation right away that when the timing belt breaks on this car, the valves bend. It is recommended to check the condition of the belt every 15,000 kilometers.
To work, we will need a set of keys and sockets, as well as a 5-point hex and a key for the tension roller. The entire procedure takes approximately one and a half hours.
The engine is similar to the eighth.
First, remove the protection, drain the antifreeze, and for convenience you can remove the right front wheel. Next, loosen the locknut of the generator belt tensioning mechanism. Using a 10mm socket, unscrew the tensioner pin and remove the belt.
We unscrew the four bolts with a 5mm hexagon and remove the upper protective cover of the timing belt.
Set top dead center (TDC). We turn the crankshaft by the pulley mounting bolt clockwise until the mark on the camshaft sprocket and the timing belt protective casing coincide.
Unscrew the crankshaft pulley bolt. We block the wheels with stops, tighten the handbrake, engage fifth gear and, with a slight movement of the wrench and a one and a half meter pipe extension, unscrew this bolt.
Next, use the same 5mm hexagon to unscrew the bolts securing the lower timing case cover and remove it.
Remove the protective washer.
The marks on the crankshaft sprockets should be aligned with the oil pump casting.
Praise be to the designers of AvtoVAZ, finally rollers with a tension indicator appeared on the engines, now you don’t need to tighten them by eye and check the tension by twisting the belt, not even thirty years have passed since the invention of such a design. We unscrew the tension roller bolt and dismantle the latter; we also remove the old timing belt. The photo shows that the belt has stretched out because the tension marks have diverged; when checking the condition of the timing belt, if you see this, you will just need to tighten it.
To replace the pump, we need to remove the camshaft sprocket, and also unscrew several bolts of the inner casing and remove it.
Three bolts out and the pump replaced. The green arrow indicates the hole for the tension roller bolt.
Having replaced the water pump, we proceed to install a new timing belt.
We put the casing and camshaft sprocket in place. We check that all the marks match, as discussed above. We install the tension roller, but do not tighten the bolt. We put on a new belt, observing the direction of rotation, first on the crankshaft sprocket, camshaft, tension roller and pump, the latter can be swapped. We tighten the timing belt. Use a special key to turn the roller counterclockwise, as indicated on its body...
Signs and reasons for replacing the timing belt Lada Kalina
The advantage of the 8-valve engines of the VAZ 2108 and subsequently the Samara 2 family was that when the timing belt breaks, the pistons do not meet the valves and do not bend them. Lada Kalina engines are structurally different from the previous model. And a break leads to the need for repairs.
Replacement frequency
It is regulated by the manufacturer. Usually this is about 80,000 mileage, but given the low quality of components, it is recommended to reduce this period to 50,000 km. In general, the best option would be a timely visual inspection of the part to determine the degree of wear. The first sign of wear will be microcracks, which are clearly visible on a tensioned belt.
If microcracks are found, there is still time to replace it in the near future. Because of this, the belt does not break immediately, since inside it is reinforced with thin and durable steel threads. This provides the belt with the ability to repeatedly withstand heavy loads and maintain its properties for as long as possible. Another sign of wear can be loose tension due to stretching. In this case, the engine will start to run noisily, and the dynamic characteristics will also weaken.
What happens in the process
First, it’s worth explaining for those who are not too knowledgeable about the intricacies of the subject. The timing belt, or otherwise the timing belt, is a closed ring made of rubber. There are notches on the inside side of this ring. They are there in order to synchronize the camshaft and crankshaft of the engine. Typically used when belt drive is used.
At the moment this belt breaks, the “camshafts” seem to “freeze” in the position of the second when the break actually happened. But as for the crankshaft, it rotates further due to its inherent inertia and the pistons hit the valves hard. But only by the valves that are open at this time. That's why the valves bend. In this case, the result does not depend on the gear engaged and the number of revolutions gained by the engine at the current moment.
Do the valves on Kalina 2 bend?
This model, Lada Kalina 2, is equipped with more than one type of engine. If you have a car in the configuration called “norm”, an improved engine with eight valves and a light group of pistons, according to another OPG, is installed under the hood (the same engines are installed on the Lada Granta). This is where the problem of pistons colliding with valves arises when the timing belt breaks. This happens due to the fact that in engines of this type the pistons have special recesses, and if the connecting rod and piston group (abbreviated ShPG) is lightened, the pistons become thin and there is simply nowhere to make recesses.
The luxury version also has a similar problem. Although there, the engines have twice as many valves - sixteen, but if the timing belt breaks, then the valves and pistons in this car also collide. Usually in luxury models this happens much less often than in others, but it still happens. The main reason that the belt breaks is the jamming of the pump, as well as the tension and support rollers.
When you shouldn't tempt your fate...
If the car is not well maintained and the owner takes little care of it, then soon he will have to spend a lot of money on repairs. AvtoVAZ specialists recommend promptly replacing timing belts, as well as tirelessly monitoring the condition of all rollers and tensioners.
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Well, why do I need such a car? Play roulette with it or what?
admin “Nissan has a chain drive”... And what gear will be on the new Nissan Almera Classic - which seems to be coming off the VAZ assembly line soon? Do not know? The question, of course, is not entirely “in the forum”, but still... Since the conversation has already started?
They won’t change the engine on the Nisa. Not yet)) but it’s AvtoVAZ, they can’t help but make a mess. They’ll make it cheaper and easier to manufacture.
The one who wrote the article needs to be expelled URGENTLY and returned to school for exposition classes.
Avovaz recommends! Constantly monitor the condition of all rollers and tensioners. FUN LISTS. So don’t be lazy, stop at a traffic light, get out, quickly check, and you’re good to go until the next traffic light. Well, if you’re lucky, of course.
It would be better if these AvtoVAZ specialists made the engine so that the valves would not bend when the timing belt breaks. And advising you to constantly watch the belt is stupid advice, because if you don’t watch it, if it breaks, it will still happen while the engine is running. This is all a pursuit of the Euro and savings.. But everyone in the country would agree not to buy AvtoVAZ products until they make an engine so that the valves do not bend, declare a boycott, then they would quickly do it. When I bought a 9 10 years ago and did the T.O., the station already had a 12 under warranty, with bent valves. And this is a new car! So try to follow. I also went on trips by car several times, driving 8 thousand km there and back. for the trip And just imagine if the belt broke on the highway in another country, especially outside the city. Full car load with family and child. Where to go next? No one is immune from some kind of breakdown, but this breakdown, associated with a broken belt and damage to everything moving inside, is already a pre-laid mine that can “explode” at any time...
I was going to buy a new Lada Kalina and suddenly the news was 8 cl. In the engine, when the timing belt breaks, the valves also begin to bend. To hell with the button accordion... I’ll drive an old one, but a reliable one! Two months ago a belt broke in Belarus. On the road, slowly, I replaced it in an hour and went to my native Kaluga. What about bent valves? Tow truck, service station, where to get money, where to stay overnight while they do it? I don't need the extra 6 forces! And the headless radishes leave me without a choice! Yes, the belt was changed during the fourth maintenance and it lasted for 3.5 thousand km.
On my Kalina 1.4 16-valve, the timing belt broke at 15,000 km, due to the fact that it was defective, although I bought it in a reputable store and the sellers said that it was very good, the result was 14 bent valves and repairs cost 14,000 rubles. So you can’t look at the belt and rollers; if it’s defective, it will break at any moment. You just need to buy a car with a regular 8-valve engine - 82 hp, and with a lightweight piston group, an 8-valve engine - 89 hp, will also bend the valves like a 16-valve engine. Also, often, along with bending of the valves, the pistons are damaged, the cylinder head becomes unusable, then repairs cost 30 - 35 thousand, this usually happens with the Priorovsky 1.6 16 class engine.. Good luck to everyone.
Stop writing about the valves. Your ancient grooves in the valves reduce compression and cause a loss of torque and efficiency; no sane manufacturer has been doing this for a long time. And it doesn’t matter whether a chain or a regular belt will break under normal conditions: it breaks either in case of a defect, or because they have never been to a maintenance service and haven’t changed anything - the car should convey its message to you in the same way neglected state. And in order not to worry, you need to have it serviced by an official dealer, with all the marks - no one is immune from defects, this is our country.
You have to be waist-deep in wood to even come up with an eight-valve that bends instead of curing 16kL from this. What a timely inspection, what the hell officials, play such roulette yourself. They ruined the last reliable engine. Yes, this is sabotage!
Clever grooves (ancient) are not in the valves.
there was a vaz and everything came out
there was an advantage in price, but now, well, I bought it cheaper and then changed the head 3 times due to a broken belt, so you have no money saved, but there is a heap of wasted time. uhhhhhhh
due to inertia, they will take this our domestic miracle for some time, but now everyone has more or less learned to count money, apparently our manufacturers are not very worried about losing customers, they will assemble other people’s cars. and it doesn’t matter where the profit comes from
It turns out that you need to take this eight-valve engine and replace the lightweight pistons with regular ones. I wonder if this is possible?
That's what AVTOTAZ had to scrap at last: put a chain on these wretched engines and make hydraulic compensators for the 8-valve head, modify the head, adjustable phases, made another monstrosity, just like on the grant, the wretched one bends, what for do we need this rotten hack, and we need only one counterbore in the pistons what the hell to do on belt motors. Of course, you can change the connecting rods to heavy ones and install pistons with counterbores, but is it worth buying this car to tinker with it? On the 21126 and 21114 engines the valves didn’t bend, and the box on the Kalina 2 is just as nasty, it’s a sequential machine, and even then on a grant for You can find a box of spare parts for horseradish, and then they put the 18th or 12th row, if it gets stuck, but it’s hard to stick the 6th gear into the stock version? Well, there are already additional sets for 6th gear on sale, no, these freaks are still creating some kind of sabotage
It’s not worth it when to tempt your fate...
If the car is not well maintained and the owner cares little about it, then he will soon have to spend a lot of money on Specialists. AvtoVAZ repairs recommend promptly replacing timing belts, as well as tirelessly monitoring the condition of the rollers and tensioners. It would be better if these AvtoVAZ specialists made the engine so that the valves would not bend when the timing belt breaks. And advising not to constantly watch the belt is stupid advice, so don’t watch it, and if it breaks, then the engine will still work. These are all Euros for the pursuit and savings.. But everyone would agree with the country among the people, so as not to buy AvtoVAZ products, they would not do it until the engine, so as not to bend the valves, declare a boycott, then they would quickly do it. When I bought a 9 10 years ago and did the T.O., the station already had a 12 under warranty, with bent valves. And this car is new! So try to follow. And once again I went on trips by car several times, driving back and forth for 8 thousand km. for the trip And just imagine, on the highway if in another state, especially in another state, the belt would break in the city. A car full of cargo with a child and family. Where to go next? No one is insured against any kind of breakdown, but this breakdown, associated with a broken belt and damage to everything moving inside, is already a pre-laid mine, which can “explode” at any time. that's what the scrap in AVTOTAZ was finally to put a chain on these wretched engines and hydraulic compensators on the 8 valve head, make modifications, adjustable phases, made another monstrosity like on the grant the wretched one bends, we don't care about this rotten hack, and we only need one counterbore in the pistons horseradish is done on belts, of course. in engines, you can change the connecting rods to heavy ones and put the counters on the piston, but is it worth buying this car to tinker with it? On the 21126 and 21114 engines the valves didn’t bend, and the box on the Kalina 2 is the same current, a nasty sequential machine, and even then on a grant for You’ll find a box of spare parts, hell, and then they’ll put in row 18 or 12, it’ll be messed up if, but it’s weak to plug into the stock version of the 6th gear? There are already additional sets for 6 sales in the program, no, these freaks are still creating some kind of sabotage. I want to add it from my Car. experience 21123 1.6 16 valve 2008 One day, at 21,000, the car stalled while being towed to a hundred. We opened the belt and it broke; after 2 weeks, a friction sound appeared for about 5 minutes. We opened the new belt again, where it had worn off by 5mm. We replace it with a new one along with the small sprocket and rollers. Three weeks later, the same picture is again. I force you to check everything before installing a new timing belt and, well, it turns out there is play in the pump. We change it and so far everything is ok! Conclusion, if the valve had bent in each case, naturally the money would have been enormous. Second. What deadlines can be achieved with today's quality of spare parts and with such specialists is it possible to buy a car with bending ones? And the valves of Hottsa Kalinka 2 (station wagon), after Anatoly. Couples, you still have a choice, buy Grant an 8-valve with an 82-horsepower 1.6-liter engine. Izhevsk sedan, assembly (not to be confused with the 8-valve 89 hp engine with lightweight shpg). This engine does not bend the valves, and the difference in 7 horsepower is not significant, but you will confidently be afraid not to drive if the belt breaks. *Note: I bought the second one. I’ve been traveling like this for a year, we went south to Sochi, this.km. We made the 6k trip and didn’t even sneeze. And I gave the 9 typewriter to my son. So, recently, in 9th on the highway, his pump jammed, and as a result, 5 teeth were cut off on the timing belt. It’s winter, the highway is freezing with wind and wind, no one stops. I went and got it, they had it in tow, they changed the belt with the pump themselves and the car was in good working order again. What if the engine had a lightweight shp? All then, long repairs in the workshop and a lot of money. And what’s important is that the engine will no longer be the same as after all, first of all, the block itself inside remains scuffed, and then the compression is weaker and the engine eats oil, so those 7 horses if. And it would have evaporated even on a long trip, it’s a total bummer! I don’t even want to imagine this! The entire vacation would be dedicated to road repairs and vacation money would also be spent on repairs and rest instead. And you don’t need to write to me that you need to monitor, change... etc. No matter how you look, it’s a rubber belt! and that's it! Moreover, the same thing can happen from the pump and the tensioning roller, so I personally don’t need a car in which bending occurs in the timing belt break valves. Just don’t confuse Grants with hatchbacks, because... Now they have started producing Grants in hatchbacks in Izhevsk, but with an 89 hp engine. which valve is bent. And also the difference in engine configuration depends on the sedans. In the sedan there is no bending in the “special” configuration. I STANDARD took this one because of the engine. True, in the standard “equipment”, there is no electric power steering, but I didn’t take it) I needed it for 280 rubles, completed it up to 300 (lifts on the front door, signaling, floor mats, radio, anticorrosive, etc.) For money These new ones are hardly any better. you will find yours, but maybe you were in a hurry to say goodbye to By the way)) VAZ, the Granta’s suspension is very different from the 9-k and 10-k, it is softer and there are no strong impacts on the bumps. The trunk is large, 480 liters, and if you fold down the back seat, it almost turns into a long-length hatchback, you can carry it). Good luck!
Simple replacement of the timing belt Lada Kalina 2, Granta with an 8-valve engine
Yesterday one of our regular customers came to us with a recently purchased second-generation Kalina to replace the timing belt, roller and pump, plus all the fluids, but more on that in another article. This engine was also installed on the Grant, so this article will be relevant for it as well. The speedometer shows 60,000 and I believe that for this engine this is the optimal replacement interval, even though all reference books say about 75,000.
Let’s make a reservation right away that when the timing belt breaks on this car, the valves bend. It is recommended to check the condition of the belt every 15,000 kilometers.
To work, we will need a set of keys and sockets, as well as a 5-point hex and a key for the tension roller. The entire procedure takes approximately one and a half hours.
The engine is similar to the eighth.
First, remove the protection, drain the antifreeze, and for convenience you can remove the right front wheel. Next, loosen the locknut of the generator belt tensioning mechanism. Using a 10mm socket, unscrew the tensioner pin and remove the belt.
We unscrew the four bolts with a 5mm hexagon and remove the upper protective cover of the timing belt.
Set top dead center (TDC). We turn the crankshaft by the pulley mounting bolt clockwise until the mark on the camshaft sprocket and the timing belt protective casing coincide.
Checking the timing belt with automatic tensioner
We prepare the car for work.
Using a 5 mm hex wrench, unscrew the four bolts securing the front upper timing belt cover.
Remove the cover from the engine
Rotating the crankshaft (by the pulley mounting bolt or by the flywheel ring gear, through the inspection hole in the clutch housing), we check the condition of the belt by external inspection.
Make sure that the marks on the tensioner match.
The belt must be clean - without dirt or oil on its surface.
It is necessary to replace a belt with tears, cracks, delaminations, cut or worn teeth, abrasions to the cord, or oily ones. Oil leaks should be eliminated as soon as possible.
After inspection, install the cover.
Timing diagram Lada Kalina 8 valves
- 1 - crankshaft toothed pulley
- 2 - coolant pump toothed pulley
- 3 - tension roller
- 4 - rear protective cover
- 5 - camshaft gear pulley
- 6 - timing belt
- A - boss on the rear protective cover
- B - mark on the camshaft pulley
- C - mark on the oil pump cover
- D - mark on the crankshaft pulley.
Another feature of the engine is the location of the water pump (pump), which is rotated by the same timing belt. That is, in case of coolant leaks or characteristic noise/whistle/hum in the timing drive area, checking the belt is mandatory. If the pump bearing crumbles and the belt comes off, then in addition to replacing the water pump housing and belt, you will also have to go through the cylinder head, removing bent valves from there.
AvtoVAZ uses a very reliable Gates belt as the original belt. Often the service life of the Gates belt is much higher than the service life of the pump and tension pulley of the Lada Kalina 8-valve engine.
Does engine 11186 bend valves?
You will find out whether the 11186 engine bends the valves and whether the valves on the viburnum bend 1 4 16 valves or 1 6 8. Read comments and advice from experts here.
Answer:
Many Lada Kalina owners are familiar with the problem when the timing belt breaks, and subsequently the valves are damaged. Therefore, car owners often wonder how the 11186 engine behaves and does it bend the valves? Only the improved model lost this problem, according to customers.
But concerns about this matter do not disappear completely. Therefore, it is worth spending a little time to figure out which model will be the most reliable.
Not all 8-valve engines are problematic, according to current Granta owners. For example, a truly high-quality power unit is available in the “Standard” configuration. The future owner of this option is unlikely to encounter serious damage.
But the driver who purchases the “Norma” model may be worried. Broken timing belts usually lead to repairs. Which in turn takes quite a long time and can become expensive. At first glance, the engines are absolutely identical, but their equipment is different. That is why the type of unit is important for those who are just planning to buy a car.
11183 - designation of a rather noisy engine. But in this case, the valves will remain intact, even if the timing belt is damaged.
Do the valves on the viburnum 1 4 16 valves bend?
Most buyers want to find out in advance whether the valves on Kalina 1 4 16 valves bend? It should be noted that this is a serious problem that occurs not only in domestic, but also in foreign models.
For example, this situation necessarily arises in a 16-valve engine with a volume of up to one and a half liters. This option is almost never installed, but it used to be quite common on the tenth family.
Model 21126 can also be called slightly problematic. If you do not take care of the maintenance of this part of the car in a timely manner, the entire piston system may break. When valves and pistons meet, the 21116 causes a lot of trouble. This engine has a lightweight group. This led to the fact that there was no space left for the recesses in the pistons, which is why the bending occurs.
16 valves per 1.4 liters. Quite an economical device, but it is not without this problem.
Finally, the VAZ 21127 can also be included in the list of “dangerous” engines. The choice of components and spare parts is the most important point for those who still want to avoid expensive repairs. Timely replacement of the seam will also help. When purchasing, you should pay attention to the seam. If it is, then it is better to purchase another model.
Does the valve on a viburnum bend 1 6 8 valves?
Many car lovers are now asking whether the valves on Kalina 1 6 8 bend. Are there models in which nothing unnecessary happens? It’s quite possible to pick up such options if you look closely.
For example, a good choice is 8 valves for 1.6 liters, or one and a half liters. These are versions of earlier power plants, they were mounted on older models. The 1.6-liter model has already appeared on more modern vehicles. The pistons have special deep recesses designed specifically for valves. This is quite enough to avoid strong collisions.
The modification 21124 with a unit of 16 valves and 1.6 liters was successful. At one time, the VAZ 2112 was produced with this configuration. In this regard, the car was powerful and reliable, and therefore was in great demand among buyers.
The best prevention for any car is constant inspection of the belt itself to see if it is worn out. The tensioner roller must also be replaced if necessary. It is this that contributes to increased wear and tear on the entire system. The likelihood of a belt breaking increases many times even if a defective product is encountered.
The problem can be solved by replacing the piston group, but this is not a cheap pleasure. Especially if you work with official dealers. An independent preventive examination will become more affordable.