Weapons chambered for Flaubert: can they be considered suitable for self-defense?

Revolver chambered for Flaubert

A revolver chambered for Flaubert can be called a weapon for recreational and (less often) sport shooting.

In terms of bullet caliber and energy, they are on par with air pistols and shotguns, having a ball diameter of only 4 mm, a weight of 0.5 g and a speed of 160-180, less often 200 m/sec.

Unlike pneumatics, revolvers chambered for Flaubert use almost real, albeit very small, firearm cartridges.

And this gives a rather loud shot, quick reloading “for real”, it is necessary to clean and lubricate the weapon, and most importantly - a harsh appearance, like a real military instrument. The external resemblance and “fire ability” give inexperienced ordinary people hope that a revolver chambered for Flaubert (abbreviated as RF) can become a means of self-defense.

Although some sellers of pneumatics and RF actively promote their products specifically as a means of self-defense, experienced users and experts know for sure that the RF cannot serve as such due to its insignificant stopping power. Of course, with the help of RF, pneumatics, just like a slingshot or a nail, you can cripple and sometimes kill a person, but it is almost impossible to stop an attacker with the help of RF.

The low energy of an RF bullet is not capable of penetrating outer clothing. In the worst case, the attacker, under the influence of adrenaline, most likely will not even notice the bullet hole in his own body and will quietly give his soul to God after he has dealt with the poor “self-defender.” Plus, the cost of one cartridge for the Russian Federation is now 1.5-3.5 hryvnia (~$0.2-$0.4).

What then is the use of such a revolver?

Based on my own experience in using a revolver chambered for Flaubert, combat pistols and shotguns (only at the shooting range, of course), I am convinced that the RF is best suited for a first acquaintance with firearms. Moreover, such acquaintance should take place under the guidance of experienced shooters.

I believe that anyone who wants to learn responsible and safe handling of weapons should undergo several trainings and competitions, which are organized, for example, by revolver clubs.

This gives the beginner the following options:

  • Skills in safe handling of weapons: strict competition rules, personal example and instructions from experienced teammates form these first and most important skills.
  • Teamwork at the shooting range.
  • Work in conditions close to combat: shooting on the move, from an awkward position, transferring fire, attentiveness, planning the optimal route, high-speed reloading, etc.
  • Access to materials for independent training in RF shooting, consultations and, most importantly, clear examples of marksmanship.

What is it like?

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Flaubert (or sidefire) cartridge is a type of rimfire ammunition without a powder charge, in which the primer acts as a cartridge case, and the primer composition performs the igniting function.

The principle of operation of such ammunition is simple - the bullet is pushed out by the gas released when the mixture of substances in the capsule burns. The composition of substances in such a mixture can be varied.

This cartridge was created in 1844 by Louis Flaubert and was used for combat purposes. Back then, this ammunition was essentially a round bullet placed in an igniter primer. Manufactured in three calibers: 4, 6 and 9.

Photo of Flaubert's cartridges:

Since then, to increase the power of the shot, the cartridge has constantly undergone changes and improvements - the shape was changed, a cartridge case and a powder charge were added. All these modifications led to the emergence of new subtypes of rimfire ammunition. Flaubert cartridges are now produced without powder in calibers of 4.5 and 5.6 mm. Some manufacturers may add a minor amount of propellant.

Shooting skills acquired in training with the Russian Federation and suitable in the future for military weapons

1. Practicing the correct position for shooting. At one time, I was guilty of the inaccuracy of the revolver and the low quality of the cartridges, since the shooting results were mediocre. But when I saw how an experienced teammate was shooting from my own revolver (placing all eight bullets in a 2-3 cm circle at a distance of seven meters), I began to carefully practice the correct grip and stance for shooting.

For me, these two elements are the most important factors for an accurate shot. By the way, at one of the revolver club competitions, I won the exercise due to the fact that I shot from my knees (a more stable position), and my opponent - from a standing position. I gained an advantage despite the fact that my opponent was generally a better shot than me.

2. Holding the weapon (grip). Revolver and pistol grips are somewhat different from each other, but it is quite easy to relearn. For example, I am currently practicing a pistol grip for a revolver and getting good results. It is difficult for beginners to believe that such a seemingly trifle as holding a revolver can fundamentally affect the result of shooting.

Air pistols have a light trigger release and no recoil, so the role of the grip is not so decisive here. A feature of revolvers is a rather tight trigger, and this dictates increased demands on the grip of the handle. Combat pistols generally have strong recoil, and therefore the correct grip is one of the most important elements in shooting such weapons.

3. Aiming. After working with the revolver, I had no problems aiming with a combat pistol.

4. Transfer of fire. Fire transfer skills are the same for both the RF and the combat pistol.

Revolvers chambered for Flaubert

Revolvers chambered for Flaubert are not only attractive copies of firearms, but also an excellent means of self-defense. Unlike pneumatics, they have greater power and bullet weight. The sound when fired from a pistol using the Flaubert cartridge is indistinguishable from a shot from a conventional pistol. The main advantage of this type of weapon for self-defense is that these revolvers are distributed absolutely freely and no permits or registrations are required to purchase and carry them.

Elements of shooting from a combat pistol that cannot be practiced with the Russian Federation

1. Drawing the weapon from the holster in the aiming position. This action is different for a pistol and a revolver. The pistol still needs to be chambered with a cartridge. In a revolver, everything is much simpler. I, like my fellow officers, believe that a revolver is much more convenient in the event of a quick unexpected contact.

A serious drawback of the revolver is the small number of cartridges in the cylinder. If the cartridge is already in the chamber, then the pistol receives a serious advantage. For me, it was the skill of chambering a cartridge, in general, that became the main problem in shooting a pistol.

2. Practicing the descent. A revolver trigger is different from a pistol trigger. Good revolver trigger skills outweigh pistol trigger skills.

But a combat pistol has a peculiarity - the recoil and volume are so much stronger than that of the RF that at first you have to deal with a typical mistake - waiting for a shot. Therefore, even if you have mastered the RF descent well, it is worth practicing well to avoid trigger failures, which happen when waiting for a shot.

3. Some elements of the safety rules. Despite the fact that the Russian shooting community conscientiously takes care of safety during training and competitions, at a shooting range with combat pistols you will encounter much stricter rules. In the event of your careless handling of the Russian Federation, you will only receive a remark, and it is possible that your incorrect actions will go unnoticed altogether (especially at a forest training ground), but the combat weapons instructor simply will not allow you to handle the weapon carelessly.

For me personally, the easy release of the pistol first became a problem, because with the RF you can stroke the trigger with impunity, and in this case the pistol will fire immediately.

Weapons based on the Flaubert cartridge

Among short-barreled firearms, there is an interesting type, which in its tactical and technical characteristics is very close to pneumatic weapons.

We are talking about weapons that use the so-called Flaubert cartridges - cartridges without a powder charge, in which the bullet is thrown only due to the charge of the primer. This type of ammunition received its name after its inventor, the Frenchman Louis Nicolas Flobert. Flaubert manufactured and patented the first example of a new-for-that-time 9mm caliber ammunition and patented it in 1845. It was a round bullet that was inserted directly into the primer. Subsequently, Flaubert organized the production of a number of cartridges of different calibers, including 4 and 6 mm.

The Flaubert system weapon was quite popular among the civilian population due to its low cost, reliability and quiet sound of the shot. The army did not use such weapons because they had low power.

Later, based on these cartridges, rimfire cartridges with a powder charge were created.

Modern Flaubert cartridges usually come in 4.2, 4.5 and 5.6mm calibers. The most common cartridges are “.22” caliber, which in foreign literature are known as “ .22 SV Sar ” (Conical Bullet Cap – a bullet with a conical tip) or “ .22 BB Sar ” (Ball Bullet Cap – a bullet with a spherical tip).

Due to the absence of a powder charge, the bullet ejection speed in weapons based on Flaubert cartridges is only slightly higher than that of CO2 pneumatics and does not exceed 250 m/s . , since the mass of the bullet is greater than that of air pistol bullets, their power is much higher than airgun pneumatics and averages about 40 - 60 J. Therefore, such weapons are positioned by manufacturers as weapons for target practice outside specially equipped shooting ranges and areas, personal self-defense or rodent control.

The low power of the cartridges does not allow the creation of a semi-automatic firing mode for pistols. Therefore, based on them, either revolvers or small pistols with manually pulling the bolt for reloading are produced (usually with a smooth barrel).

PM-F , created on the basis of Flaubert cartridges, only superficially resembles a Makarov pistol.

The cartridges in it are located inside the drum cartridge, similar to the pneumatic Umarex Beretta Px4 Storm, Gamo Pt-85, Gamo MP-9 and the new ASG CZ P09.

Revolvers with Flaubert cartridges are produced and sold mainly in European countries (their production is banned in the USA), including in Ukraine.

In our country, the circulation of such weapons is prohibited due to the lack of certification.

Excerpt characterizing Flaubert's Patron

On June 13, at two o'clock in the morning, the sovereign, calling Balashev to him and reading him his letter to Napoleon, ordered him to take this letter and personally hand it over to the French emperor. Sending Balashev away, the sovereign again repeated to him the words that he would not make peace until at least one armed enemy remained on Russian soil, and ordered that these words be conveyed to Napoleon without fail. The Emperor did not write these words in the letter, because he felt with his tact that these words were inconvenient to convey at the moment when the last attempt at reconciliation was being made; but he certainly ordered Balashev to hand them over to Napoleon personally. Having left on the night of June 13th to 14th, Balashev, accompanied by a trumpeter and two Cossacks, arrived at dawn in the village of Rykonty, at the French outposts on this side of the Neman. He was stopped by French cavalry sentries. A French hussar non-commissioned officer, in a crimson uniform and a shaggy hat, shouted at Balashev as he approached, ordering him to stop. Balashev did not stop immediately, but continued to walk along the road. The non-commissioned officer, frowning and muttering some kind of curse, advanced with the chest of his horse towards Balashev, took up his saber and rudely shouted at the Russian general, asking him: is he deaf, that he does not hear what is being said to him. Balashev identified himself. The non-commissioned officer sent the soldier to the officer. Not paying attention to Balashev, the non-commissioned officer began to talk with his comrades about his regimental business and did not look at the Russian general. It was unusually strange for Balashev, after being close to the highest power and might, after a conversation three hours ago with the sovereign and generally accustomed to honors from his service, to see here, on Russian soil, this hostile and, most importantly, disrespectful attitude towards himself of brute force. The sun was just beginning to rise from behind the clouds; the air was fresh and dewy. On the way, the herd was driven out of the village. In the fields, one by one, like bubbles in water, the larks burst into life with a hooting sound. Balashev looked around him, waiting for the arrival of an officer from the village. The Russian Cossacks, the trumpeter, and the French hussars silently looked at each other from time to time. A French hussar colonel, apparently just out of bed, rode out of the village on a beautiful, well-fed gray horse, accompanied by two hussars. The officer, the soldiers and their horses wore an air of contentment and panache. This was the first time of the campaign, when the troops were still in good order, almost equal to the inspection, peaceful activity, only with a touch of smart belligerence in clothing and with a moral connotation of that fun and enterprise that always accompany the beginning of campaigns. The French colonel had difficulty holding back a yawn, but was polite and, apparently, understood the full significance of Balashev. He led him past his soldiers by the chain and said that his desire to be presented to the emperor would probably be fulfilled immediately, since the imperial apartment, as far as he knew, was not far away. They drove through the village of Rykonty, past French hussar hitching posts, sentries and soldiers saluting their colonel and curiously examining the Russian uniform, and drove out to the other side of the village. According to the colonel, the division chief was two kilometers away, who would receive Balashev and see him off to his destination. The sun had already risen and shone cheerfully on the bright greenery. They had just left the tavern on the mountain when a group of horsemen appeared from under the mountain to meet them, in front of which, on a black horse with harness shining in the sun, rode a tall man in a hat with feathers and black hair curled to the shoulders, in a red robe and with with long legs stuck out forward, like the French ride. This man galloped towards Balashev, his feathers, stones and gold braid shining and fluttering in the bright June sun. Balashev was already two horses away from the horseman galloping towards him with a solemnly theatrical face in bracelets, feathers, necklaces and gold, when Yulner, the French colonel, respectfully whispered: “Le roi de Naples.” [King of Naples.] Indeed, it was Murat, now called the King of Naples. Although it was completely incomprehensible why he was the Neapolitan king, he was called that, and he himself was convinced of this and therefore had a more solemn and important appearance than before. He was so sure that he was really the Neapolitan king that, on the eve of his departure from Naples, while he was walking with his wife through the streets of Naples, several Italians shouted to him: “Viva il re!” [Long live the king! (Italian) ] he turned to his wife with a sad smile and said: “Les malheureux, ils ne savent pas que je les quitte demain! [Unfortunate people, they do not know that I am leaving them tomorrow!] But despite the fact that he firmly believed that he was the Neapolitan king, and that he regretted the sorrow of his subjects leaving him, recently, after he was ordered to enter the service again, and especially after a meeting with Napoleon in Danzig, when the august brother-in-law told him: “Je vous ai fait Roi pour regner a maniere, mais pas a la votre,” [I made you king in order to to reign not in his own way, but in mine.] - he cheerfully set about a task familiar to him and, like a well-fed, but not fat, horse fit for service, sensing himself in the harness, began to play in the shafts and, having discharged himself as colorfully and expensively as possible, cheerful and happy, he galloped, without knowing where or why, along the roads of Poland.


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World after the end of the world

I will not comment on your emotional attacks. And I think the topic of discussion has long been exhausted. But I would like to draw your attention to some aspects of your way of conducting a dispute:

1. Regarding your statement “you came to the territory of Russia, please follow the rules and customs of this country,” according to the general theory of law, the concept of the territory of a state does not include a domain zone; therefore, no one came to “visit” anyone.

2. In the thread, have you highlighted at least one of my references to the problem of using “na” or “in” in relation to the spelling of the name of the country “Ukraine”???? This is a purely grammatical construction and the method of its use depends solely on the person’s literacy, that is, on the degree of proficiency in their native language. Therefore, your appeal to this topic is groundless (unless, of course, you are a philologist, although your way of constructing comments does not indicate perfect command of your native language).

3. Regarding “pushing Russians to serve time in prison.” I will give some excerpts from the legal act of the Russian Federation that defines the concept of a criminal offense in your country - the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

According to Art. 222 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation 1. Illegal acquisition, transfer, sale, storage, transportation or carrying

firearms, their main parts, ammunition, explosives

or explosive devices -

shall be punished by restriction of freedom for a term of two to four years, or

arrest for a term of up to six months, or imprisonment for a term of two to

four years with a fine of two hundred to five hundred minimum amounts

wages or in the amount of wages or other income of a person convicted of

a period of two to five months or without it.

At the same time, according to Art. 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation actions aimed at inciting national, racial or religious

hostility, HUMILIATION OF NATIONAL DIGNITY, as well as propaganda of exclusivity,

superiority or inferiority of citizens based on their attitude to religion,

nationality or race, if these acts were committed in public

or using the media, -

shall be punished by a fine in the amount of five hundred to eight hundred minimum amounts

wages or in the amount of wages or other income of a person convicted of

period from five to eight months, or restriction of freedom for up to three

years, or imprisonment for a term of two to four years.

Thus, the topicstarter’s question about the opinion of forum members about Flaubert does not constitute a crime according to the legislation of the Russian Federation. Your posts may well be interpreted as a public humiliation of national dignity and propaganda of the inferiority of citizens based on their nationality.

At the same time, I ask you to pay attention to the sanctions provided for by the above provisions of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation; they are almost equal in severity for the person punished.

Based on the above, I consider the discussion completed and the topic exhausted. And for you personally, dear 11, my advice is to learn the materiel!!!!

Flaubert's patron in Russia

Most often in the Russian Federation there are cartridges of this type produced by the Czech company Sellier & Bellot or the German company Dynamit Nobel. These world-famous arms brands have long established themselves well in the CIS market. The Flaubert cartridge from these manufacturers has a caliber of 4.0 mm. It is equipped with a hemispherical bullet weighing 0.5 g. Despite the general similar parameters, they still have minor differences. Thus, the cartridges of the German company are distinguished by a primer made of thinner non-ferrous metal. On its bottom there is an imprint in the form of an acorn. The products of the Czech company have sleeves made of steel. They are a little shorter than the German ones. Despite this, the power of both cartridges is the same. The speed of the bullet when leaving the muzzle is about 200 m/s. In terms of muzzle energy, this is only about 10 J.

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